tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post1136862995842900123..comments2023-06-11T02:19:27.429-07:00Comments on Academic Cog: What's Yours is Mine, What's Mine is ---- wait, what?Sisyphushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-44735689404251030742012-09-28T18:32:38.176-07:002012-09-28T18:32:38.176-07:00Ummm..you don't have to give your syllabus to ...Ummm..you don't have to give your syllabus to anyone. And let me just say, I know more than one person who has seen their own syllabus being trotted into a search by a candidate.<br /><br />So I understand why you did this. But if it is plagiarized, in part or in whole, it isn't "yours" to give away, and I think it's a dangerous move to do it.<br /><br />Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-86191171350452899102012-09-25T09:17:23.676-07:002012-09-25T09:17:23.676-07:00I do think -- especially at the point of an interv...I do think -- especially at the point of an interview -- having some syllabi for courses you haven't taught is a good thing. But it's never been decisive for us. And it's tricky because -- as Belle suggests -- institutional contexts vary so that what would work at an elite SLAC won't work at many public R-1s, etc -- especially for the lower division courses. <br /><br />I think the approach you suggest is fine. I would say that as a non-specialist, I consulted Professor Google in putting it together.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-20793160652194758892012-09-24T14:14:00.708-07:002012-09-24T14:14:00.708-07:00I dunno, Bardiac, that sounds awfully grovel-ly in...I dunno, Bardiac, that sounds awfully grovel-ly in tone. it's him who's asking the favor, not me. I have my syllabus to the point where *I'm* happy with it, even if it is not cutting-edge or particularly sophisticated (and it is so far out of my field I would not be applying to the same jobs or using it as a sample unless it was a generalist position). To be so self-deprecating isn't my style. <br /><br />The real problem, as I see it, is that it would look like plagiarism off a web site if he used it. That and I don't know if it would be much help. I'll probably send him the web site link instead of my syllabus, since that person is a prof already and whatnot.Sisyphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-54868797229790272782012-09-24T05:50:53.167-07:002012-09-24T05:50:53.167-07:00What Bardiac said. I've also noticed that many...What Bardiac said. I've also noticed that many new faculty don't have a clue how to set up a good syllabus, even in their own field. Perhaps it's a case of knowing too much of the speciality but not enough of the students? Colleague once showed me hir syllabus, and I was horrified/amused at the amount of reading zie expected intro level students to prep for each class. Sadder still to see that hir chair allowed it to go into the class, slaughter the student enrollment and only then gently advise Colleague to knock back the heavy stuff in an intro class.Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10849272391043604637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-28701115127997596512012-09-24T04:13:00.467-07:002012-09-24T04:13:00.467-07:00I just want to comment quickly on the job market s...I just want to comment quickly on the job market side: I was told, by my placement committee as well as all of those different books about being on the job market (Greg Semenza's and Kathryn Hume's) that you have lots of syllabi when you show up for job interviews, including for classes you haven't taught yet. The person we hired at my R1 this year specifically mentioned classes she had designed but not taught yet IN HER JOB LETTER. She showed up with copies of the syllabus (and other syllabi for classes she had taught) at her on campus interview, and when she got asked about whether she could teach X, she pulled it out and passed it around. It worked. Obviously, it's not sufficient to get hired, but it was a crucial distinction between her and one of the candidates who did not get hired because she had not planned a similar course.Sapiencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09259871146375570988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-58880752336875182072012-09-23T19:29:37.550-07:002012-09-23T19:29:37.550-07:00When I've made up syllabi in my own field, I&#...When I've made up syllabi in my own field, I've still done the google search to see what others are doing. This is not so much so I can plaigerise than a sense of anxiety (that never really leaves you) that I might be 'doing it wrong', or that I've missed 'most important book ever and will look like a fool'. Plus, especially in the beginning, it was just useful to think about how people structured courses to help me work through how to build my own (just like when I wrote my PhD, I read other PhDs to see what they did, and when I wrote my book, I read other monographs in the field to think about structure etc, as much as content). <br /><br />I guess I find it helpful to explicitly think about structure when creating things and so that's why I need exemplars - maybe this dude thinks similarly.<br /><br />As such, you might want to give it to him, but also point to where you googled it from and point out that plaigerising might not be a good idea for this reason. Feminist Avatarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03364456372396228106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-71187297765758360492012-09-23T19:06:09.326-07:002012-09-23T19:06:09.326-07:00That's a bit awkward. :(
Are you likely to a...That's a bit awkward. :(<br /><br />Are you likely to apply for the same jobs? If so, I might hesitate.<br /><br />My better instinct would be to share, with a note about how it's not your field, really, and you put it together in desperation, and it's worked in this way, but not that way, and if s/he has suggestions to help, you'd be interested.Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.com