tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post6867574463211036673..comments2023-06-11T02:19:27.429-07:00Comments on Academic Cog: Random thoughts on Falling into Theory, a book reviewSisyphushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-16696179675130226382007-09-20T20:07:00.000-07:002007-09-20T20:07:00.000-07:00Ok Horace, you've now returned me to my original d...Ok Horace, you've now returned me to my original disdainful and pissed-off reaction to the FIT. Way to go. :)<BR/><BR/>Flavia: I used to be all obsessed with "new historicism" because I could not figure out what it _was_, except that it was a "methodology not a theory" and it involved Foucault and some diluted Marx and lots of analogies. And chiasmuses. But our dept has people who say you can't apply Marx or Freud's theories anachronistically to people who'd never experienced them, and that makes some sense to me. <BR/><BR/>I will take note and squirrel away all these theory book titles (though none of them have the oomph factor that "falling into theory" did for me); I must say that the Norton is a beast and I can barely imagine carrying it, not really _assigning_ it to anyone.<BR/><BR/>and like kermitthefrog says (hello! welcome!) the biggest step in falling into theory debates is to go back as far as possible and read the texts that are inspiring the debates ... but I just feel like that's too much work, asking me to recapitulate the entire trajectory of Western philosophy so that I can go explicate a novel or two. (I think that's the way to do it, absolutely, but I'm lazy.)<BR/><BR/>And it's interesting all the historians who came out of the woodwork, eh? I worked with some history grad students at this campus and they were beyond hostile to a deep obliviousness to theory. Surely someone somewhere has written a good book to take some lit-crit or pomo ideas and show how they are important to history? I knew this guy in my writing group who could not fathom the notion of the "Other" or othering a group. I finally had to go, dude, when you only report on these black people as an object of study and discount their own words? That. That's othering.<BR/><BR/>Not that _you'd_ do that, heh.Sisyphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-9697042927995492052007-09-19T18:23:00.000-07:002007-09-19T18:23:00.000-07:00I've tried to use FIT a couple times, and always f...I've tried to use FIT a couple times, and always felt a bit disappointed. I think theory is somehow bigger than what he thinks; it's not just about what, how, and why we read, but about how we construct meaning and broadly understand the ways representation works.<BR/><BR/>I finally started getting that by reading theory texts, and then tracking back to try to understand who they were arguing with. It's hard all the way around becuase there's so much to know!<BR/><BR/>When I teach theory, I try to introduce students to three or four basic texts/ideas: Marx, Freud, and Feminist theory. You can't teach it all, but you can get students to see that theorists are trying to answer big questions, I think.Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-37376096894009197852007-09-19T18:17:00.000-07:002007-09-19T18:17:00.000-07:00I've been wanting to reply to this post all aftern...I've been wanting to reply to this post all afternoon, and not knowing quite how, since I feel like my acquaintance with theory began pretty gradually. But here are some things that helped me as an undergrad:<BR/><BR/>You're on target with the contextualization of why certain theoretical positions emerged at certain times. My first Theory-with-a-T lightbulb experience was an instructor who explained that Barthes was actually trying to argue something with S/Z, and all of a sudden I started to see theory/criticism as an ongoing process.<BR/><BR/>I had an OK sophomore seminar that paired theoretical texts with somewhat-relevant literature (Saussure and structuralism with Lewis Carroll, translation theory with a play called Translations). It certainly gave us a way to discuss theory as manifested/applied, not only in the abstract.<BR/><BR/>Eagleton and Culler helped some in terms of background.<BR/><BR/>As a grad student trying to teach myself, though? The most important thing I've learned has been that reading originary texts (i.e. Plato's Phaedrus, or bits of Hegel's Phenomenology) often helps to clarify later works that rely implicitly or explicitly on this established philosophical tradition. Routledge guides can be helpful in this endeavor if the terminology/background gets too much.<BR/><BR/>Finally, my first year in grad school, I had to take an exam on a list of 50 theoretical texts. That upped the comfort level a whole lot! (Apologies for such a long comment; drop me an email if you want the url of the list of texts--now under heavy debate by students and faculty who want to revise it, but that's a whole other can of worms.)kermitthefroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742856153167362749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-70246598123702507542007-09-19T17:52:00.000-07:002007-09-19T17:52:00.000-07:00Guys, give yourselves a break or twelve. As histor...Guys, give yourselves a break or twelve. As historians, we were simply expected to know it (it being lit crit and all associated theories), and to get it by reading the texts, without benefit of discussion, context... anything. So the idea that you're actually teaching it is wonderful. <BR/><BR/>I relied on Eagleton, and still refer my students to his overview. Referred fellow befuddled history grad students to it. <BR/><BR/>So if you find something that will help the non-lit types out here to decipher theory, please let me know. It would be wonderful if it's not full of arcane litcritese - or is that part of the appeal?<BR/><BR/>Yes, that's a snark. Sorry. It slipped out.Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10849272391043604637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-3152892253744266002007-09-19T16:12:00.000-07:002007-09-19T16:12:00.000-07:00How do you teach students Theory? How do you learn...<I>How do you teach students Theory? How do you learn it as a grad student? I’m still looking for a map of the unmappable, a starting-point for the originless, a ball of string for the labyrinth that is Theory. Any suggestions?</I><BR/><BR/>I seriously do not know. I'm still trying to figure out how to teach <I>myself</I> theory.<BR/><BR/>I'll be watching the comments for insights--thanks for asking the question!Ancrene Wiseasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02075637582360688845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-56120413819514168242007-09-19T13:10:00.000-07:002007-09-19T13:10:00.000-07:00My sense is that no single text does everything, a...My sense is that no single text does everything, and my recollection of Richter's FIT was that it did little of use, particularly compared to something like Robert Con Davis and Ronald Schliefer's expensive <I>Contemporary Literary Criticism</I>, or, for that metter, Norton's Theory Anthology. In this case I think the combination of a reader and a digested version--Like Eagleton's <I>Literary Theory: An Introduction</I> Barry's <I>Beginning Theory</I> (I'm using a different text from the Beginning... series and like it a lot) or Culler's <I>Literary Theory: A Very Short Introduction</I>-- is a good bet. Or one of those digested versions and a bunch of single essays collected on reserves. <BR/><BR/>I had a good intro theory course in undergrad with a Con Davis anthology, and a poor one in grad school with the text you describe here, plus a big course pack. Nothing helped me more though, than Eagleton, who, while a bit out of date now, historicizes nicely, and could perhaps be replaced by that Beginning Theory text.<BR/><BR/>I'm thinking about a lot of this because of the Foundational course we're thinking through now: one of the models I'm looking at also uses FIT, and says her students hate it. There's alos this text called <I>The Theory Toolbox</I> that I've heard about, but am not sure what I remember hearing about it.Horacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15662740021328265642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-44318072791642213142007-09-19T07:29:00.000-07:002007-09-19T07:29:00.000-07:00I was never taught theory in college OR in grad sc...I was never taught theory in college OR in grad school (there was a course offered one year that was a broad historical survey of literary theory, beginning with Aristotle, which most of the other grad students took. . . but it conflicted with a course on the 18th C. novel, which sounded way more interesting to me). <BR/><BR/>So in some grad seminars (although not many!) we'd be assigned the occasional essay by De Man or Althusser or something, and I think my professors assumed that we knew who those people were--but I never really connected the dots. My best guess is that my professors thought we already knew whatever we needed to know about theory, or they were so weary of the theory wars themselves, that they just didn't bother to get into it.<BR/><BR/>So I'm in the weird position of being not-hostile to theory, and certainly not entirely ignorant of it, but not exactly sure how to give myself the education that I never got. (Luckily, in the Renaissance, most people can muddle through with a little Foucault and a lot of Greenblatt.) Eagleton's <I>Literary Theory</I> was useful to me in grad school, and I later picked up Hans Bertens <I>Literary Theory: The Basics</I>, but those are just overviews--useful for terms and big ideas and for how not to sound like a total rube.<BR/><BR/>So all this is to say, *I'm* interested in your ideas and recommendations, though I have none of my own.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7366909960546184927.post-89054099242638118222007-09-18T21:56:00.000-07:002007-09-18T21:56:00.000-07:00It's long and boring --- sorry! I'll make up for i...It's long and boring --- sorry! I'll make up for it with cat pictures later.Sisyphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.com